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Finally upgraded to the current version of Fedora. This will be the last version of Fedora I use, and it feels weird to know that after 18 years, that's the last time I'll go through that process

@Cheeseness whatcha moving to?

@brennen Ha ha, if I'd decided, I wouldn't have done this upgrade

@Cheeseness fair!

@Cheeseness how do you like their gnome?

@oreolek It's Gnome - haven't really noticed any differences between it any Gnome on any other distro.

@oreolek Is there something specific that you're keen to know about?

@Cheeseness Why the last one? Are you switching to some other distro after that?

@Mayana Yeah. I'm not really comfortable with Fedora's direction and will need to pick something else before I next refresh my system

@Cheeseness Has there been some problematic changes recently, or is it a general thing? I don't know much about the Linux meta.

@Mayana It's a number of things that have been building up over time. The two biggest ones are probably RedHat's acquisition by IBM (RedHat is sort of the corporate custodian of Fedora - initially, Fedora was a fork of RedHat Linux, and later, RedHat Linux was reworked to be a derivative of Fedora, so they continue to have a lot of control/influence on the project even if it's nominally community driven), and the increasing focus on containerisation/image-based packaging

@tulpa @Mayana As I understand it, the intention is to eventually replace Workstation with Silverblue (or migrate Workstation to be Silverblue's packaging or just rename Silveblue to Workstation - I haven't kept up on the specifics)

Debian's on my list. Considering Gentoo too.

FWIW, I'm not really aware of any contemporary distro that doesn't run on older hardware (why actively excise drivers from the kernel when building for desktop?). I'm running Fedora on decade-old machines.

@tulpa @Mayana Oh, sorry - I misread! Totally understand that concern.

@kazriko @Mayana @tulpa To the best of my knowledge, OpenSUSE was never a RedHat derivative (they just use the same packaging format).

Like every distro, it's the same kernel, same drivers, same applications - they all end up feeling pretty similar after a while!

I had considered putting OpenSUSE on my short list, but honestly, the OpenSUSE/SUSE has never felt that far different from the Fedora/RedHat relationship, and that's one of the things I'm looking to get away from.

@kazriko @Mayana @tulpa I'm not specifically tied to packaging format - I don't feel like it meaningfully impacts the experience of using an operating system (definitely makes a difference if you're doing packaging, but I've done that for enough formats that I'm pretty comfortable with whatever if/when I need to do it)

@kazriko @Mayana @tulpa That's less about packaging format and more about a distro's package maintenance community (unless you're talking about upstream packages, which are difficult for me to see as relevant)

@kazriko @Mayana @tulpa Right, that's upstream packaging. I don't subscribe to the philosophy that packaging is an upstream job - if I want to run something that's not in my distro's repos, I'll build it myself.