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Helmet cam video from an Ukrainian member of the Sabotage/Reconnaissance Group that entered Russian territory today. With Ukrainians being this bold Russians won't need any false flags. Picture is the infographic about the location of the incident.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsOqwXdw71A

@union https://www.vice.com/en/article/7kb75e/the-internet-is-debunking-russian-war-propaganda-in-real-time I don't know how much you trust this particular site, but it talks about this incident.

@kazriko Vice is basically a Gawker level site. But that's not important. What is important (to my calculus) is that Russia did not include these incidents into justification for the recognition. So, every time Vice writes, "Russia has used to justify its military action in the region", they lie. In the very first paragraph, too, setting the tone for the whole expose.

BTW, Ukraine shelled Russia in 2014 too, as well as carried out similar incursions. Fortunately, professional liars at Vice have memory of mice, and cannot link the two. But back then it was written off as simple incompetence, and overall things that happen in a war.

@union Are they talking about them using it internationally, or internally? I was thinking that they were referring to them using these internally to their own citizens to justify it.

@kazriko As much as I can tell, the biggest driver of the public sentiment is the reporting about the indiscriminate shelling. It's stuff like livestreaming and such. I'm not there though.

@kazriko BTW, you may get a kick out of it. In the morning, Putin assembled his Security Council and made every member stand up and give his opinion as to the best course of action for the country -- on live TV. It was a show like no other. Some, like Shoigu, the minister of defense, just said "people are dying, we gotta save them, the sensible way to do it is to recognize the republics, obtain requests for help, and help." But some were really squishy. Perminov, the chief spy, really didn't want to commit to any specific course of action. Putin had to pin him down and ask yes or no. He said yes. There were also those who opined that the diplomatic avenues are not exhausted, we need to ask the West to get Ukraine in line, etc. Really wild stuff, considering how much weaponry UK sent just recently.

@ThatWouldBeTelling @kazriko I called him Perminov, but actually it's Patrushev.