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As a typist, I need to make sure when I create a hyphenated passphrase, that the hyphen doesn't immediately follow the letter "s". Typing "s-" is incredibly annoying.

@atoponce interesting, I've never found nor used any DVORAK before.

@ademalsasa I've been typing in the Dvorak layout since ~2005 and have never regretted it.

@atoponce this is really great!

@atoponce @ademalsasa I've been using it since about 2000. The college where I worked, most of the IT staff used it, and many had keyboards that had no letters at all. I can switch to Qwerty just by looking down at the keyboard though, because I touch type only in Dvorak though.

@kazriko I learned a nice experience from you, nice and thanks!

@atoponce

@ademalsasa @atoponce @kazriko Oh hey dvorak thread.
I recently decided to learn colemak, after switching to dvorak around 2017ish.
Pain, I can barely type dvorak anymore. Probably could go back after an hour or so, and I still use it on my fone (because still no FOSS handwriting recognition keyboard).
Colemak is actually kinda cool, I think having r on the home row is very good. But then it's kinda messy overall.

Hey, my friend @Zergling_man, long time no chat. Welcome to DVORAK thread. Thanks for adding your experience!

@kazriko @atoponce

@ademalsasa @atoponce @kazriko fwiw I don't actually think it's worth learning dvorak (or any other layout) if you're already proficient with qwerty. I was regularly playing typing races at the time, and I actually made the choice because I was constantly winning (with one consistent close second), so I decided to handicap myself. I was around 120wpm, ~8 fingers, nowadays I'm about 100-110, still 8 fingers.
I'd like to see what a child brought up on dvorak can do.

@Zergling_man @kazriko @atoponce you all made me research a bit about DVORAK.

And different to what I initially thought, apparently DVORAK is not quite DVORAK, as opposed to QWERTY is literally QWERTY.

Thanks Dr. Dvorak for inventing it!

@Zergling_man @ademalsasa @atoponce I never fully tested my speed with Qwerty, but because I learned Qwerty without proper typing style on old Atari computers, I topped out at somewhere around 75wpm on it. My wrists were also murdering me by the time I got to college. I easily hit 110 now with Dvorak without trying too hard, and my wrists usually don't hurt anymore.

I could probably get similar results on the wrist pain by typing qwerty properly, but it was a shortcut to getting proper typing form, relearning to type in an entirely different layout where I couldn't use looking at the keyboard as a crutch.
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@Zergling_man @kazriko @ademalsasa Sean Wrona is one of the fastest typists in the world (if not *the* fastest) and he's a QWERTY typist. But he's also not a home row typist.

I also have a coworker who regularly types 120+ wpm in QWERTY and he also is not a home row typist.

I am a home row typist in Dvorak, and my top speed in a typing competition was 110 wpm. I regularly sit around 90-95 wpm with some 100 wpm bursts.

I'm of the (probably ignorant) opinion home row typing is not efficient.

@kazriko @Zergling_man @ademalsasa Regarding pain, that's why I switched--at the recommendation of my doctor.

I was a competitive piano player in addition to sitting at a computer all day, and noticed some numbness in my left wrist and elbow. My doctor thought it might be RSI and even early signs of carpal tunnel, so he suggested I find a new job and stop playing the piano.

I couldn't do either, so he mentioned some patients had success switching to Dvorak, so I gave that a try. It worked.

@Zergling_man @kazriko @ademalsasa When my daughter was born, I told my wife I would teach her Dvorak. When she got into her first typing class, I told the teacher I would teach her Dvorak.

It turned out to be a royal PITA.

- The Windows computers didn't allow changing keyboard layouts for that domain.
- The school disctrict had to make a special exception for her account.
- The teacher didn't know how to change the layout.
- The homework was QWERTY specific.
- Etc.

She's now a QWERTY typist.

@ademalsasa @atoponce @kazriko And it's pronounced nothing like Dvorak, the composer.

@atoponce @ademalsasa @kazriko All I'm hearing here is that "public" schools continue to be a mistake.

@atoponce this becomes very interesting, Man!

@kazriko @Zergling_man

@atoponce @Zergling_man @ademalsasa I didn't have the kid change over to Dvorak. Figured he could decide that for himself later.

@kazriko @Zergling_man @ademalsasa Yup. I had this discussion with her. If she decides to change later and has the know-how for making the switch in the OS, then I'll help teach her.