Guys, about that whole Ukraine thing, I had a strange insight.
Observe that nothing of this would've happened if we firmly told the Maidan junta to knock it off, when they started to try and evict Russia from their Gitmo in Sebastopol. There would be no escalation, and no resulting annexation of Crimea. Without Crimea, there would be no flare-up in Donabss. We could have Ukraine fully in EU and NATO before Putin knew what hit him. But instead we got this.
So, it looks suspiciously like the real goal of our entire policy was not to defeat and/or diminish Russia, but to make sure that Russians and Ukrainians kill each other as much as possible.
Observe that nothing of this would've happened if we firmly told the Maidan junta to knock it off, when they started to try and evict Russia from their Gitmo in Sebastopol. There would be no escalation, and no resulting annexation of Crimea. Without Crimea, there would be no flare-up in Donabss. We could have Ukraine fully in EU and NATO before Putin knew what hit him. But instead we got this.
So, it looks suspiciously like the real goal of our entire policy was not to defeat and/or diminish Russia, but to make sure that Russians and Ukrainians kill each other as much as possible.
@union “it looks suspiciously like the real goal of our entire policy was not to defeat and/or diminish Russia, but to make sure that Russians and Ukrainians kill each other as much as possible.”
Really hard to discard the incompetence hypothesis, “Good times make soft Jews” and all that. Plus note our intervention goes back to a prior 2004 color revolution which targeted the very same Viktor Yanukovych who was forced out in 2014.
But we can certainly notice a very major subset of neocons has had a genocidal hatred of Slavs and Russia since the 19th Century or a bit before, and we can “embrace the healing power of ‘and,’” for both can be true at least to some degree at the same time.
@union I consider this possible, though even without it, we might have ended up with an invasion of Crimea, just because I don't know if Putin would tolerate the emergence of another petrostate in Europe, and the takeover of Crimea basically put the majority of Ukraine's oil reserves into Russia's hands.
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