Well, actually, the US Army says that it's strategically important to make unforced errors!
@moth He ended up blocking me because I kept insisting that Whites have a right to not be discriminated against on account of race, and also a right to implement that. That includes Impala Consequences on those who do discriminate against Whites. If they do this, they need to come to grips with The Consequences.
I've noticed with a lot of establishment types who pretend to be "based" get along much better with the really rabid e-wignat types than they do with guys like me, who set totally reasonable standards and then just refuse to compromise on them. I think he literally just can't handle dealing with somebody who is moralized.
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I've noticed with a lot of establishment types who pretend to be "based" get along much better with the really rabid e-wignat types than they do with guys like me, who set totally reasonable standards and then just refuse to compromise on them. I think he literally just can't handle dealing with somebody who is moralized.
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@NEETzsche @moth I don't know what you're talking about but Dave is pretty much the butt of a lot of our jokes. He's like another Jeff Cliff.
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Disagreement started over some hot take about twitter: https://husk.site/notice/APjreHu2yhL9S4rGC0
I argue that being "frequently being confidently incorrect about a topic they simply have no understanding of" is accurate for his spectator sport of Ukraine.
"Russia very badly wanted to keep [Kherson] and moved tens of thousands of troops into the area to do so. They were forced to leave after being outmaneuvered by the Ukrainians."
Those sneaky Ukes moved the Dnieper!
Disagreement started over some hot take about twitter: https://husk.site/notice/APjreHu2yhL9S4rGC0
I argue that being "frequently being confidently incorrect about a topic they simply have no understanding of" is accurate for his spectator sport of Ukraine.
"Russia very badly wanted to keep [Kherson] and moved tens of thousands of troops into the area to do so. They were forced to leave after being outmaneuvered by the Ukrainians."
Those sneaky Ukes moved the Dnieper!
@moth @PonyPanda @NEETzsche I don't see how one can deny the conclusion that it was Ukrainian attacks on Russian logistics that caused the withdrawal. Most observers expected it take a shape of a series of pitched battles and a Stalingrad-like siege, which Ukrainians would win eventually, thanks to sitting on a superior logistical base. Russian General Staff and Gen. Surovkin realized it and ordered the withdrawal, without the actual battle. Thus it clearly is a Ukrainian victory. As for "outmaneuvered", you don't have to take it literally. It means "outsmarted" in this case. Note that leaving the right shore carries a number of negative consequences for the Russian side, such is potentially leaving Crimea without water again.
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He eventually walked that back to the claim that taking Kherson after Russians gave it up was a strategic victory because it would drive more international donations to Ukraine, making a victory believable.
He eventually walked that back to the claim that taking Kherson after Russians gave it up was a strategic victory because it would drive more international donations to Ukraine, making a victory believable.
@union @PonyPanda @moth @NEETzsche Yeah, the right/south shore is far more important to Russia's overall strategy. If they lose that then Crimea goes back to being very difficult to support. If they can't re-establish supply lines over the strait bridge in bulk, and they lose the water, they might have a hard time holding onto Crimea, and may have to retreat back to just Donbas region.
@union @PonyPanda @moth @NEETzsche (Kherson north of the river was far more important when the goal was to march to Odessa and Transnistra, but since that's now a pipe dream they probably need to preserve their forces.)
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@kazriko @union @NEETzsche @moth yes. But if they had never occupied Kherson city to begin with, the AFU would have and Kherson still functioning with Ukraine's logistics still intact would have made any position on the left-bank (south side) of the Dniepr extremely hard to hold. That's why it was great that Russia did occupy Kherson when they did and withdraw when they did. I had my initial fears that the Ukrainian attacks across the river might have been a threat but it's obvious now that they've run out of gas. Crimea is safe. The AFU are stuck in Kherson. The Russians are free to advance the Zaporozhiye frontline and they are. They're make slow territorial gains on their other frontlines as well.
Look at how many Ukrainian units are deployed in the Kherson region compared to Zaporozhiye. All of them are stuck there now.
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Look at how many Ukrainian units are deployed in the Kherson region compared to Zaporozhiye. All of them are stuck there now.
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@PonyPanda @moth @NEETzsche @union No argument from me on most of that, I think I've heard that they're starting to redeploy some of them north and east, but that will take some time. Russia's still hurting for logistics for now in the area, but they're on a fairly defensible line there now so they can re-deploy extras east faster than Ukraine can. I think the Kherson line might stay where it is for awhile, but we'll see.
@kazriko @NEETzsche @moth @union but they aren't. I already pointed it out to jewnion. Russian logistics are were unharmed. The Ukrainian terrorist attack on Kerch bridge took out the civilian motorway. The railroad that Russia uses to transport personnel and supplies was unharmed. The artillery attacks on Antonovsky bridge did nothing but leave potholes for the months that Ukraine was shelling it. It was only destroyed when Russia did it with their withdrawal.
The proof that Russia's logistics are unharmed is that they were able to evacuate 80,000-100,000 civilians, I think 30,000 soldiers and all of their vehicles in virtually no time. The civilian evacuation took a month or so but the military withdrawal was quick and clean. Keep in mind this was all closer to the front line. Russia have withdrawn deeper into their territory and moving around is no problem for them. I already told you of Ukraine's logistical problems. Kherson has been stripped bare and the Russians killed off all the energy and utilities there. The Ukrainians basically have a concrete forest and no way to move north.
The proof that Russia's logistics are unharmed is that they were able to evacuate 80,000-100,000 civilians, I think 30,000 soldiers and all of their vehicles in virtually no time. The civilian evacuation took a month or so but the military withdrawal was quick and clean. Keep in mind this was all closer to the front line. Russia have withdrawn deeper into their territory and moving around is no problem for them. I already told you of Ukraine's logistical problems. Kherson has been stripped bare and the Russians killed off all the energy and utilities there. The Ukrainians basically have a concrete forest and no way to move north.