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Well Google decided I can’t email my wife anymore.

Guess email is truly dead.

@gemlog they just decided to block mail from my server today.

@gemlog @requiem Yeah I have found Microsoft's servers even worse than Google's for the arbitrary and random whims and moods by which they reject mail...

@gemlog at the end of the day, gmail is just a proprietary mail system with a broken smtp gateway. Our choice is to join them, let them read our email and share it with advertisers, train LLM’s whatever they want or risk them randomly interfering with our communications.

Thinking about it overnight I think our time is best spent building a new mail system on a network that can’t be so easily captured by predatory corporations like Google.

I’m thinking - a mail system that uses @VeilidNetwork as a transport. Distributed like email used to be, and running on even lightweight, intermittently connected nodes the way email was supposed to work in the first place.
@keithzg

@requiem Ahh sorry dude

@requiem Now you got to hack them, make them think you're some big ISP get a reverse dns hostname going, submit the ip to have different geoip data and get unclassified as residential

@reconbot I used to fight them this way, and it was fun, but now I’m just planning to leap over the whole thing.

@requiem I'd use that but it would probably be to talk to you 😂

@reconbot weirdly it would probably be the most mainstream thing I work on in my free time 🤣

@requiem I'm working on a nerdsnipe for you

@reconbot my kryptonite!

@requiem @gemlog @VeilidNetwork @keithzg I wouldn't want to build an entire new system. So google defederated you, that doesn't mean you have to move to a different protocol. Just use the same protocol with other people who aren't on google. I pay a non-google email service to maintain my domain for me still.

@gemlog I do all those things, and they still randomly block me.

I’m getting to old to waste my time playing games with Google. I’d rather spend it making them obsolete 😇

@kazriko @MMRnmd @keithzg @VeilidNetwork

@gemlog I used to do that a long time ago, I think I stopped self-hosting in 2008ish. Zoho costs a bit, but it's better than hosting on google themselves, and the interface is almost as good. No ads. One thing I ended up doing was switching my sending domain to not match my receiving domain. I get constant notices and bounces from people sending spam spoofing my receiving domain. @MMRnmd @keithzg @requiem @VeilidNetwork

@gemlog True, Their intention is definitely to attrack medium to small business rather than us hobby users, so they focus a lot of their effort on customer relations management and other similar tools. I'd in general lean towards reasonably priced business tools with consumer uses instead of ad-riddled consumer tools turned towards businesses. @keithzg @requiem @VeilidNetwork @MMRnmd
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