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I've always thought we should be an example, not an implementor, of democracy. We should defend our own and be a friend to others.

In the aftermath of Russia's invasion of Ukraine, it's time for Europe to step up and America to step back https://reason.com/2022/05/02/after-the-war/ via @reason

@Caernon

Even more, realize that our system was designed around (a) democracy being inevitable and (b) limiting that democracy so it does not go full socialist.

@amerika I think that democracy is inevitable as long as we step back and let it happen. Unfortunately, a lot of ugly things sometimes need to happen before democracy does.

@s8n @amerika To quote Churchill (I think), "Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others."

@s8n @amerika And your idea for an alternative?

@Caernon

So, democracy = entropy?

I don't disagree.

...I don't think we should give in to the dying of the light.

@s8n @amerika LOL! Welp, your name calling shows there's no point in attempting a conversation with you. Good day. 😎

@amerika No, we shouldn't, but our recent actions haven't done a lot to promote the light.

@Caernon

If by "recent," you mean since 1866 and especially 1913, I think you have a solid point.

@amerika Well, I was talking about more recent debacles: Viet Nam, Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan.

@Caernon It's probably useful for us to also help defend other democracies as well, such as Taiwan. It's not very useful for us to try and implement democracy on our own elsewhere.
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@kazriko I think we need to make sure Taiwan has all the tools to defend itself, but I'd hate to get in a toe to toe war with China.

@Caernon Help can come in many forms, and providing tools is one of those. Though the confidence that our allies has in us right now in the region is a bit low due to the Scarborough Shoals mess. We negotiated a deal between the Philippines and China, then declined to enforce the deal we negotiated in any way when China didn't follow the agreement.

@kazriko That's what we do these days, make promises we never keep.

@Caernon Yeah, that's one thing that we definitely need to stop doing. Either don't make the promise, or keep it.